In this episode of #TBNE Rob chats with former BMX Pro Josh Perry as we talk about his path to becoming a BMX Pro and exploding on the scene, to how a seemingly routine injury turned into an accidental death sentence, and how Josh overcame it and is now using his story, his experience, and his lessons for good by coaching others to become the best versions of themselves. Now a coach to others, Josh opens up about his path and the challenges he faced in a raw and honest interview. Josh has so much energy and passion for his craft, tune in to learn more! Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review.
In this episode of #TBNE Rob chats with former BMX Pro Josh Perry as we talk about his path to becoming a BMX Pro and exploding on the scene, to how a seemingly routine injury turned into an accidental death sentence, and how Josh overcame it and is now using his story, his experience, and his lessons for good by coaching others to become the best versions of themselves.
Now a coach to others, Josh opens up about his path and the challenges he faced in a raw and honest interview.
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EP 92_Josh Perry
00:00:07:11 - 00:00:30:05
Josh Perry
How we do in Bear Nation. This is your host, Rob Napoli back again for another episode of the Bare Necessities podcast. Today is going to be another fun episode. I have a former pro BMX athlete on this show, Josh Perry, who is a multiple brain tumor survivor, former account executive, and he's now a health and performance coach.
00:00:30:05 - 00:00:47:13
Rob Napoli
And he trains and coach people and kind of we were talking pre sho The four aspects of energy, which is physical, mental, emotional, spiritual which led us into a great preshow conversation so excited to have you on the show. Josh, thanks for being here today, my friend.w
00:00:48:00 - 00:01:05:03
Josh Perry
Yeah, thank you, Rob. I appreciate the time. And it's always like we were talking about earlier. We've had a handful of conversations since getting connected. I think it was through our buddy Clint, if I remember correctly, and it's always a pleasure to speak with people that are on the same page, same path of growth and just challenging one another and just seeing what's out there.
00:01:05:09 - 00:01:32:05
Rob Napoli
Yeah, absolutely. Add Clint. Clint led the golf network there. Yep, I met him. There are business improvement events for my buddy right now, Richard, so I love how that all kind of ties together and it's always great to meet cool people. I think it's really cool is that it's that often that I have a chance to interview former pro athletes on the podcast being a BMX athlete, you know, I remember when I was a kid and I used to watch the BMX, it was like I could do that.
00:01:32:05 - 00:01:50:14
Rob Napoli
And like we all got the little bikes with that. You're all things you could do, though. The sabers like, you know, we built a little ramp and it was like, that's not as much as my nerves of steel would allow. So before we even get to that, how did you like how did you pick up the sport of BMX biking, like competitive biking like that?
00:01:50:15 - 00:02:05:22
Rob Napoli
I mean, was that just something naturally happen? Was that in your family? Like, did you have a passion for that? And then I want to get into your kind of the trauma, how he overcame it and how that led to that amazing work we're doing now as a speaker and coach and all those things.
00:02:06:18 - 00:02:26:14
Josh Perry
Yeah. So, I mean, just like you described, I just it was just one of those things that I just got obsessed with and just took it further and further and further. But I think what exposed me to it was just the right time at the right age, you know, the late nineties, early twenties, you know, action sports, X-Games came out like 86, 97, Gravity Games shortly after that.
00:02:26:14 - 00:02:33:20
Josh Perry
And so it was all over TV. You know, Tony Hawk was blowing up, you know, and his HBO documentary was phenomenal.
00:02:33:20 - 00:02:36:24
Rob Napoli
Just I haven't said I haven't watched that. I it's it's so sick.
00:02:36:24 - 00:02:56:05
Josh Perry
Just the opening in the quote he has and it just it speaks to my life being action sports athlete but it was just yeah I was you know grew up Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Baseball is massive there. So from T-ball to little league just playing sports. My dad today at 59 turning 60 and a couple will probably buy this area.
00:02:56:05 - 00:03:20:04
Josh Perry
So he'll already be 60. But always playing sports, you know, from basketball to softball to flag football to bowling to golf, depending on the season up in Massachusetts. So I was exposed to everything and I loved it. I love being active. And then, like I said, late nineties, early 2000s action sports are blowing up. I was rollerblade and when that was still popular, I was skateboarding and then I saw kids on bikes and I was like, man, like, you know, that's that's cool.
00:03:20:04 - 00:03:38:16
Josh Perry
Like in my mind I was like, Oh, this is a more efficient means of transportation. You have to worry about little pebbles hitting those little hard wheels and you go flying over and I saw an X games and I was sold and it was my birthday's in November, so I was turning 13. And for Christmas that year I asked for a dirt bike because I was also into dirt bikes and was around my cousins every weekend.
00:03:39:03 - 00:03:56:13
Josh Perry
And my parents, you know, they couldn't afford a dirt bike, so they got the next best thing, which was a BMX bike, and that's where it started. And coming into my freshman and sophomore year of high school, all the other school sports started to just dissipate. I actually didn't make the school basketball team my freshman year of high school, and that's what started it.
00:03:56:13 - 00:04:13:08
Josh Perry
And then I started excelling in local amateur contests to regional to national. By the time I was in my junior year, I was competing professionally and dropped out of high school, the sport of my parents and just moved down to North Carolina to train with, you know, the late great Dave Muir and the other guys that were living out there and just, you know, just took off.
00:04:13:20 - 00:04:31:17
Rob Napoli
That's the one that kind of was amazing to me. But to I thought it happened so much later. I feel like a lot of these. Yeah, when I look at the amateur athletes, they are kind of the extreme athletes. They started younger when they had no fear. Right. And like you see kids today, like the joyous, you know, skateboarding or snowboarding down the mountain.
00:04:32:13 - 00:04:52:23
Rob Napoli
But I think when you kind of hit that 13 is when we start kind of going through puberty and you start your fear factor starts setting in that you're not as indestructible. And as you kind of started this this journey of being a competitive athlete in the BMX circuit. And then it got really like it pushed really fast to do big tricks, right?
00:04:52:23 - 00:05:13:08
Rob Napoli
So did that ever how did that affect your mentality? Were you ever scared of getting hurt? Like talk to me a little about your mentality of of like putting yourself out there in a very real way, like take a jump and hurt yourself, You know what I mean? Like that affect. Yeah, you're kind of going through high school and kind of going out playing football.
00:05:13:20 - 00:05:21:10
Rob Napoli
Yeah. I mean, I put my body through a lot and beaten up, but as was said, like, you start to feel everything differently. You weren't that seven year old kid that's going to knee and like be up running the next minute. You know what I mean?
00:05:21:18 - 00:05:41:02
Josh Perry
Yeah, yeah. I think there was added to that. There was the other element of being seen by my peers doing something that was unconventional, untraditional, and not what the majority was doing. And then also YouTube came out, what, 25, six, seven or something like that. So like that's, you know, my friends and I filming videos, which we'd always been doing and then putting them on the Internet.
00:05:41:12 - 00:06:04:15
Josh Perry
And one of the main ways I got into the global vaccine and developed a presence for my riding was a video contest that came out at 27 with horror bikes and then the BMX website. They combined to create this contest globally and top ten videos got picked to go out to North Carolina, where I ended up moving to in Greenville to audition essentially, and they going to pick one of the ten to be on the team.
00:06:05:02 - 00:06:22:05
Josh Perry
And so there was the other elements of like, you know, being judged by your peers. What if I fail? I'm putting myself out there on the Internet. And it was much easier to gain attention on YouTube back then because it wasn't as flooded as it is today. And just, you know, videos were taken out. One of my first videos was 5 seconds and it had like 40,000 views.
00:06:22:05 - 00:06:36:17
Josh Perry
And at the time I was like, Oh, I don't know what this is, but so there was many layers to it. And I think there's there's two components that come to mind of why are three that I was able to overcome that and pursue what I wanted. One was my mom always tells a story when I was, you know, a couple of years old.
00:06:37:06 - 00:06:53:22
Josh Perry
Our call me that four or five or I just went down the drive driveway on a tricycle and at the end, just like jackknife, and they jumped off and yelled bail or I'd always jump off counters if they catch me mid-air. I always had that adrenaline seeking aspect, which now as an adult, I've learned that's a component of ADHD and dopamine seeking.
00:06:54:17 - 00:07:14:01
Josh Perry
But there was that. And then the conditioning from sports and then my family, you know, to work at something that I want to do. And then, you know, the level that you put in is the level you'll you'll get to essentially. And then that leads to the third, which was that vision I had in my mind that, you know, all that conditioning leading up to those moments where I was like, I want to do this jump or this trick.
00:07:14:13 - 00:07:36:16
Josh Perry
It was the vision that propelled me over the fear. And I think that that was something that I love about action sport specifically. But any pursuit for a passion, whether it be dance would be art, it'd be, you know, business would be anything that you can get better at if you put your everything into it. It teaches you these things about how to regulate your emotions and focus.
00:07:36:16 - 00:07:56:04
Josh Perry
And that's essentially what I learned at a young age. I wasn't aware of that I'm gifted with now is, you know, consciously. But it was just, here's what I have going on. What do I want? Okay, let's focus on what do I what do I need to do to obtain what I wanted? So I had what I call virtual mentors and I later became friends with and training partners and competitors with posters on my wall.
00:07:56:04 - 00:08:11:09
Josh Perry
I was watching videos every day, reading their articles in the magazines and everything I could to study them as a model of success for me. And so I didn't know I was doing this, but I was like, okay, I want to be like them. One day. What I need to do, I need to compete in some videos. I need to send in spots, me tapes on VHS tapes.
00:08:11:09 - 00:08:36:21
Josh Perry
Back then, I need to do demos, I need to get exposure. And so when it came to the tricks. Yeah, it's real. The pain hurts. But you get up, hopefully you're, you know, conscious, you get up, you try again because of the vision you're working towards. And that has been the single most important thing. If I had to pick one that has helped me throughout my life and all the aspects, whether it be health challenges, financial challenges, you know, starting a business, you know, getting through the pandemic, like all these different things.
00:08:36:21 - 00:08:41:07
Josh Perry
It's that focus on the vision and what does it take to accomplish what you want.
00:08:41:15 - 00:09:04:19
Rob Napoli
Yeah, I love that. And so as we kind of go a lot of the journey, you know, you became you got noticed and found you moved to Carolina and North Carolina and, you know, started getting into the circuit. And then that's how things kind of went sideways. So you mind you know, you had some trauma as a writer which which kind of sound out to your accidental kind of diagnosis.
00:09:04:19 - 00:09:19:21
Rob Napoli
So you want to walk us through like what was that moment like when you know, you were no stranger? That's why I asked about this fear thing, right? As you were no stranger to it. You knew your you could get hurt and then you had something happened. So why don't you share with us kind of that moment or that experience?
00:09:19:21 - 00:09:23:18
Rob Napoli
Because that's kind of what changed your life into who you are today, right?
00:09:24:03 - 00:09:42:14
Josh Perry
Hundred percent. And that's the thing that I got from Tony Hawk's documentary, was like injuries were never a goal. They were just an embrace, unconsciously accepted part of the journey. The goal was to land the trick to win the contest. But we embrace pain at a very high, consistent level that most people will never fathom on a choice basis.
00:09:42:22 - 00:10:02:22
Josh Perry
And so the timeline I turned pro in 27 June six or seven when I was in my junior year, my graduating year was going to be 27. So I think it was six. I turned pro committing the due tours and things like that and my first pro win was 2009 in April. So that was the most amazing point of my career that that time.
00:10:03:04 - 00:10:20:19
Josh Perry
And, you know, moving forward into March in the offseason of 2010, I was training, trying a variation of a new trick in the foam pit. Back then, we didn't have the specific ramps that we didn't have, like the training ramp that we have now is like a transition between foam and real ramp, which is essentially a ramp with foam blocks and then some thin plastic.
00:10:20:19 - 00:10:34:09
Josh Perry
So you can it gives you can land and they rough it up. So your tires don't slip. We have that for this setup back then. So it was foam pit it ten times in a row. Perfect. And I wouldn't try it on the real ramp out of fear of under rotating the flip and the spin of the trick.
00:10:34:16 - 00:10:49:23
Josh Perry
I overcompensated. All of them got ejected off my bike when I landed because I landed. If I were supposed to land like this, I landed sideways and got sent over and hit my head and got knocked out. And that led to the MRI that I talk to you about. Before we we were talking recording that I got an accidental death sentence.
00:10:49:23 - 00:11:06:06
Josh Perry
The diagnosis was actually found of a brain tumor or I should say the brain jaw was actually diagnosed because of the MRI for the concussion. And so I was driving there thinking, you know, I get this MRI, you know, getting the results. Maybe worst case scenario, two weeks more off, the bike could be worse. And it got much worse.
00:11:06:06 - 00:11:26:01
Josh Perry
And I was by myself, I guess I moved there when I was 17, you know, from my family, living my friends, doing all the all my thing and got this death sentence essentially on accident, thinking I was going to get an MRI, check out, you know, look for swelling or bleeding, you know, classic TBI symptoms. And that's where the journey started, where I had to actually reflect on who I was, what I was doing to that moment.
00:11:26:07 - 00:11:43:14
Josh Perry
And it started out very real of like victim like I literally asked my doctor out loud, what did I do to deserve this? Am I a bad person? Why is this happening to me? And then there was a week and a half between diagnosis, the surgery and something shifted in me and I relate it to Lance Armstrong story.
00:11:43:17 - 00:12:00:00
Josh Perry
No cyclist, which was unfathomable at the time to find that connection. Brain, lung and testicular cancer. He overcame it. I can model that like that gave me hope and faith that I could do this. My mom's story of battling colon cancer alive and well today, I was like, Oh, I'm a part of her like this. I can do this, you know?
00:12:00:01 - 00:12:21:18
Josh Perry
And then the BMX community globally, whether they had met me or not, heard my story and saw my riding and gave me their support. And I started to shift from what if I don't wake up to what will I do differently when I wake up because I got myself in a situation I need to make some changes? And it started with nutrition and then it moved into a couple of years later I blew up my knee to, you know, physical strength and fitness.
00:12:22:02 - 00:12:36:24
Josh Perry
And then the mindset piece came last and it made sense of this entire journey of who I was and who I was becoming. Thanks to the conditioning of BMX and all the things that I've been going through with injuries, the brain tumors, you know, not one, not two, not three, but I think I'm on the eighth one now.
00:12:37:18 - 00:12:56:24
Josh Perry
But all of that is what led me to my success. And then, like you mentioned earlier, it led me to discovering a higher purpose than just getting back up and riding my bike, which people loved. But there was a deeper reason why they loved that, and it was because their was inspiring them. The ability to fall down and get up and work towards something that you want because you believe in it that much, that you're willing to go through the shit to get there.
00:12:57:06 - 00:13:15:01
Josh Perry
And that's when I started to work on, you know, creating a coaching business and how to help people do the same thing rather than retiring or getting a job doing something I didn't like I wanted. And I still bust my ass to make this business work because it's not about me. It's about the people I can inspire and help them improve their lives.
00:13:15:01 - 00:13:41:01
Josh Perry
The way I had to learn was hard way out of pain and suffering. And I learned people can, you know, they can change from a place of joint inspiration with it just takes a little bit perspective. So I get to I had the pleasure and the gift of using my story as a learning lesson as well. As you know, we learn my story so I can tell my story with the knowledge and expertise I have to back up what we're working on and they can make the changes themselves and sort of witness it moving forward.
00:13:42:10 - 00:14:09:08
Rob Napoli
Yeah, I think that's really interesting. And there's, you know, the coaching profession is very unique, right? Business coaching, life coaching, mental health, optimal optimization. There's all these different branches and I think it's really easy to to study something and teach it. It's different if you if you've gone through it and it kind of brings a little bit of a different flavor and uniqueness to be able to tell the story.
00:14:09:08 - 00:14:28:08
Rob Napoli
And then I tell it, but I sort of show it right? Like I think so many people go to a coach and five lesson episodes before it's a nice little one to go to a coach to get the answer right. It's like, that's not what a coach is for coaches that to help guide you, ask questions, drive you and push you in the right direction, Right?
00:14:28:08 - 00:14:44:01
Rob Napoli
Because then the day a coach can help give you a playbook, but they can't make it compete like on any any major sports team. I always use Andy Reid. Andy Reid has a great team put in place. So the Kansas City Chiefs is a great coach. One of that one was best the other day. He isn't out there competing.
00:14:44:01 - 00:15:02:03
Rob Napoli
There's 11 guys on the field that are competing for for the win right. And he could do everything in his power to wear them to victory. But at the end of the day, he can't. Right. There has to be the collective unit, the individual contribution of every person in the collective unit of the team, and a look at people in daily lives.
00:15:02:03 - 00:15:22:13
Rob Napoli
They get coaches because they're looking for a magic bullet or an answer. And I think it's really important for people to understand that that's not what it's about. And I love how you share that kind of joint inspiration. So I talk about internal and external motivation, external motivation to not feel the fire, but the fire has to be burning inside of you that the warmth, the heat has to come from the fireplace inside.
00:15:22:13 - 00:15:56:09
Rob Napoli
Otherwise you'll burn out like I'll never sustain. And the coach to help you find fan and grow that flame inside. And so I like how you talk for that kind of joint inspiration and providing that the the optimization piece to it. So as you kind of went through your journey in building this business and doing these things, what were, what were kind of core values and foundation principles that when you were like, All right, I'm going to start my own business and leverage these things, or the kind of foundational principles that you wanted to build a business around.
00:15:56:12 - 00:16:16:23
Rob Napoli
What was that? What was the brand of Josh Perry? Because it changed right from being the kid that got discovered to the validated athlete to, you know, kind of the victim to survivor. What was when you launched the Josh Perry brand in the New Age with the coaching, What was the foundational belief that you had?
00:16:16:23 - 00:16:40:09
Josh Perry
The belief I had that was if I can overcome, then other people can do. And so with that is why I share so openly, authentically and vulnerably all the different aspects and layers of my life, whether it'd be, you know, the things I've gone through or, you know, the loss through suicide of Dave Mirror, a good idol of mine and mentor and friend and train partner as well as my younger brother, things like that.
00:16:40:09 - 00:17:00:24
Josh Perry
And it was weird. It was at first it was weird to share those things because of my own insecurities. But as I work through that with another coach of mine, I learned that the more I shared at the depths in which I did, the more people heard and connected with. I was sharing and doing thank me because it allowed them the permission that they could share to or they could, you know, move on in their own way and heal.
00:17:01:08 - 00:17:20:20
Josh Perry
And so I make a very intentional point of mind to be just open and transparent about everything. And that, you know, leading into the point you made about coaching. Yeah, my job ultimately is to lead, is to push people out of their comfort zone, to change. And I consider and I call all I tell all my clients, it's a do with process.
00:17:21:04 - 00:17:38:14
Josh Perry
You know, I'm not going to give you the answers. I'm going to have you earn the answers the same way I had to go through it, but in a much shorter time. And that's why I don't like doing the, you know, one call a week type thing or it's like I tell my clients, I match you with where you show up the level of commitment and action that you put into this.
00:17:38:19 - 00:17:56:16
Josh Perry
I'll meet you there, but I'm not going to give you the answers I'm going to make you work for in a positive way because it's not I'm not doing my job. I'm actually enabling them by just, Hey, you want to know what the answer is Here It is like, No, I'm going to share. But you also have to show me some action that you're taking.
00:17:56:16 - 00:18:12:24
Josh Perry
Otherwise, what we're doing is not going to do anything because you to resort back to your old habits. And that's something I've learned in my own way, going to a coach thinking, Oh, they're going to give me the answer. They're giving the blueprint, I'm just going to plug in. Some of it is that some of it is education, but it's also about accountability and implementation.
00:18:12:24 - 00:18:29:10
Josh Perry
And so that's why I do I create a do with process with my clients. And I because essentially I'm just saving them time and pain and suffering, but I'm not just giving them the answer. And I learned that the hard way. Whereas I actually talked to my friend I mentioned to you earlier of connecting with Isaac, he's been on my podcast.
00:18:29:10 - 00:18:45:15
Josh Perry
We did an episode called Cheerios Coaching, and he talked about before saying, I went through these insecurities of like, I need to be validated. I need to give them all of my knowledge. Now why are my clients getting results or bombarding them with so much information they don't know what to do? Rather than that, he explained the Cheerios coaching concept.
00:18:45:15 - 00:19:01:11
Josh Perry
He's like, What do you what do you get? Whether you give a kid a box of Cheerios at their, you know, dinner plate or their plate in general to talk about their that goes everywhere. But if you get one at a time, they eat it and it doesn't go on the floor. And I mean, nine times out of ten, hopefully they'll go in their mouth and not on the floor.
00:19:01:11 - 00:19:02:15
Rob Napoli
I saw that it Yeah.
00:19:02:22 - 00:19:22:11
Josh Perry
Yeah exactly. So it's like and like he and I both had similar realizations of like, oh, you know, there's, there's a process, there's an art to this. And if we're just giving them and giving them information, they're not doing anything with it. And we don't have systems in place to entail or to check in, ensure that they're doing the work, we're just giving them stuff and they're not even doing it.
00:19:22:11 - 00:19:45:21
Josh Perry
We have no purpose in this. We're not affecting change in the way we want to. So building my brand is all about being transparent, authentic, but also about challenging people and back to the transparency part, my fiance is probably my most challenging accountability partner I have, which is one of the biggest things that we love about each other, but also the people I put in place, the people I invest into with as my coach, you know, things like that.
00:19:45:21 - 00:19:58:14
Josh Perry
So I really think there's a difference between theory and experience in application. And one of the things I tell my clients is knowledge isn't shit without implementation, knowledge isn't power. You have to do something with it to be empowered with it.
00:19:58:22 - 00:20:18:00
Rob Napoli
Absolutely. And I think that you kind of have to nail in the head because I have a very strong feeling on that. So like, I understand that, you know, not the best coaches were not always good players of the game right. And sometimes the best players can always be coaches. And I truly believe that. And that's the same thing with like coaches in every aspect that every.
00:20:18:06 - 00:20:22:06
Josh Perry
Michael Jordan said. He's a terrible coach, but he's one of the greatest, if not the greatest basketball player.
00:20:22:10 - 00:20:40:16
Rob Napoli
Right. And so, like, you know, for me, it comes down to when I look at especially coaches like the coaching industry of like health and wellness and all these different things. I have a coaching business for entrepreneurs and I have my own middle. I have a mindset coach, I have a therapist that I have all these things in my life that I work through.
00:20:40:16 - 00:20:59:24
Rob Napoli
And the thing is, is that we live in an information age. We can find anything and everything want on the Internet. And so everyone throws out this like, Oh, do this, do this. I'm a college, do this, do this. And it's like, Yeah, we're overloading people, but nothing that. The big difference is are you willing to put into action?
00:20:59:24 - 00:21:20:06
Rob Napoli
And I interviewed Dr. Carla Fowler, who is a performance high performing habits coach and she looks like leaders and blah blah. We were talking about it and the difference is it's in the action. It's in a small by sizable chunks of like being able to do. And she talked about a 90, 90, 90 rule. 90% of people don't start.
00:21:21:04 - 00:21:49:19
Rob Napoli
Then after that, the people that do start, 90% don't continue. And then after that, 90% don't improve. Right. And it's like the difference between you and the top 1% is action. It's doing. And so I love that you talk about the do with mentality, with you, with philosophy, because that is important as a coach or somebody who's working with a coach to have that person to help inspire action for others out there listening.
00:21:50:11 - 00:22:05:00
Rob Napoli
Then the day you can want whatever you want in the world, what are you willing to actually do? What are you willing to work for? What actions are you willing to take? I think that's such a great philosophy that I love that do with that. That to me, as I wrote it down, I was like, do with loss.
00:22:05:01 - 00:22:06:09
Rob Napoli
I really love that I have to use that.
00:22:06:23 - 00:22:31:24
Josh Perry
This is a love zone that I think the quote that comes the concept, I can't remember the quote and it's either by Allen Stein Jr or James Clear and Holly habits. But either way the the you know what the point they're getting at is the different the the difference between people that succeed like LeBron James, Michael Jordan and those that wish they succeeded wasn't the goal, it was the actions.
00:22:32:09 - 00:22:48:06
Josh Perry
And so I think I was actually either one of them. It's both on brand for both of them two people, I really look up to. I love their work, but if you think about it, we can all set goals. It's not like someone's meant to succeed or not. I wasn't meant to ride my bike on the level I did.
00:22:48:15 - 00:23:05:08
Josh Perry
Other people were much more skilled than I was. But when I turned 16, when we all turned 16 and got our licenses, I saw that as an opportunity to get better and to go more places. They saw an opportunity to go do whatever they did. And so when I was 16, 15, 16, somewhere around there, I have friends.
00:23:05:08 - 00:23:31:16
Josh Perry
That's my level of progression just skyrocketed when I put myself somewhere where I wasn't the best anymore. Being around the, you know, the champions and the heroes of mine, they gave me a run. A.C. unit robbed our you name it, all the guys there in one town. I had the most progression in my life in those two first years I lived there because my baseline had to rise to their lowest performance level because they were outperforming me on a level I didn't fathom.
00:23:32:03 - 00:23:54:15
Josh Perry
And so, you know, with atomic habits, I listen to one. James Clears episodes on a podcast and the quote that really stands out to me and I'm going to butcher it, somebody just trying to paraphrase the best I can. What is it? It's not our we don't create our our destiny. We choose our habits or we create our habits or habits create our destiny, something like that.
00:23:54:19 - 00:24:09:15
Josh Perry
But it's get to the point like it's all about what you put in and the level of effort and intentionality as well as, you know, being realistic to the outside world and what's going on. Like in all of my friends, he always uses the goal. He's like my eight year old grandmother can't set a goal to be in the NBA, just work her ass off at it.
00:24:09:15 - 00:24:15:09
Josh Perry
It's not realistic in that sense. So there is some self-awareness we have to have, but absolutely.
00:24:15:09 - 00:24:35:06
Rob Napoli
And that's the thing, You know, it's like you get an elephant out of an elephant, the whole thing or one bite at a not right like and we know that it's such a simple thing to think about. But for many people out there, it's hard to put that into like, okay, what does that mean? How to put that into an action?
00:24:35:06 - 00:24:57:14
Rob Napoli
How Who do we have that can hold us accountable? Harry Leverage, Accountability Partners. How do we leverage people in our lives to hold us accountable for the things that we want? Because anything that's really worth getting or achieving or going after is not going to be fucking easy. No. Right. Like every the day it's not. So what are you willing to work for?
00:24:57:15 - 00:25:16:11
Rob Napoli
I think it should be like, what do you want? And then what are you willing to work for? Because that's not what people want. They're not willing to work for. And that's clearly going to be like something that's never going to be achievable, attainable. So I you know, I am I like how you show that. And I love you know, I think I'm ADHD and OCD.
00:25:16:11 - 00:25:32:16
Rob Napoli
So sometimes creating new habits are hard as fuck to do. But the difference is too, that I thought I'd do it every day, but my intention is to do it every day. And so that with intention still you never forget it. That's a goal of yours. It's a habit you're trying to for. And so maybe you don't. Maybe don't do it.
00:25:32:16 - 00:25:53:06
Rob Napoli
300 days a year, but you do it 300. That's 300. More than 200, more than 100, more than zero. Or just giving up because oh, I didn't do it through her 65 days. I still give up on. It's like, no, the intention is always there for me to do the thing. And as long as I do it more often than I don't, I continually build towards that because I can appreciate those wins and realize when I fail.
00:25:54:04 - 00:26:09:15
Josh Perry
Yeah, I mean, I think the intentionality is everything. And it goes back to one of my favorite books, Atomic Habits by James Clear. He talks about it's not about perfection, it's about consistency in just a majority. It's like, you know, every action you take in your day is like a vote towards the type of person, the life you want to have.
00:26:09:22 - 00:26:26:18
Josh Perry
It's not about 100% or nothing. It's just about that 51% at the very least, You know, it's about the majority vote. And that looks differently every day. Maybe some days you give 40, maybe other days you give 90. But it's about staying consistent. And that's another concept that I've had to work through my life is consistency over perfection.
00:26:27:01 - 00:26:44:04
Josh Perry
I didn't get where I got to in BMX was I was perfect. I failed and failed and failed over and over again. But I got up and I perceived or it was the word persisted because of what I wanted to accomplish. And I learned and I reframe those falls. It's not failure, but what could I have learned from this?
00:26:44:04 - 00:27:01:11
Josh Perry
What did I do wrong? Go back to video and all those things and I just made small tweaks and I love it was Michael Phelps had this quote in him and Justin Thomas. We're doing this under Armor special on YouTube of like golf meets Michael Phelps for that. And they were talking about high performance and habits and things like that.
00:27:01:20 - 00:27:21:00
Josh Perry
And he said something like high performance is nothing other than a bunch of small habits build upon each other to get to that point where you're prepared for the moment, something like that. And it's it's like it's this idea of like when you're competent, you create confidence in your actions, not the other way around. And we have to focus on we have to start with a goal in mind, you know, what do we want?
00:27:21:07 - 00:27:35:14
Josh Perry
We can't just look at the scoreboard and expect pointing up there. We have to play the game. And I think that if people can reframe the times, they fall down and mess up and not look as failure, but like, look, it's a learning opportunity. It's not easy because you have to be seen. You have to show yourself, you have to actually put yourself out there.
00:27:35:22 - 00:27:55:11
Josh Perry
But I think that's the number one thing that stands in the way of people getting to where they want is getting to embrace that comfort zone or that discomfort zone. And we get so attached to the familiar because it's knowing it's safe and the brain perceives as that. But what helps me is learning how the brain works. And I can set up my life and boundaries with certain things and parameters that keep me on track, like rewarding myself.
00:27:55:11 - 00:28:14:19
Josh Perry
I want to I want to go golf, for example. Okay, well, what do I need to do today? Let's get that done and reward myself with it. So it creates a positive feedback loop that makes me actually enjoy the process which I reflect in BMX. I was obsessed with the process. I was obsessed with training every day, drills and tricks into my brain on a regular basis, do 100 times a day.
00:28:15:06 - 00:28:30:10
Josh Perry
And then I look at different aspects of my life now, leaving that area of life, and I'm like, What is the difference? I'm not embracing that process because it's new. And I had to go through a lot of, you know, imposter syndrome and all that bullshit when I I'll be six days, six days when I'll be three years.
00:28:30:10 - 00:28:49:06
Josh Perry
As I touched my bike, I wrote a professional level for three years after just thinking because I don't know what else to do in my life. I was still speaking and coaching, but I was just lost. And I think that there's so many elements to this. It's like and that's why I said before we started, before we start recording, is like I'm a big proponent of like in order to change and do to do something different, you have to know who you are and what you're currently doing.
00:28:49:17 - 00:28:55:23
Josh Perry
And I think that if we can start there, have self-awareness and have accountability partners, that's the first domino to fall over.
00:28:56:01 - 00:29:16:08
Rob Napoli
Yeah, So I love that you share that because everyone I know how to work in branding over a lot of companies. Right. And you know, most branding experts are going to be the first thing that you see, like a branding workshop. Our seminar is you see a slide by Simon Sinek, right? You'll start with why. Wow, that makes sense.
00:29:16:08 - 00:29:29:22
Rob Napoli
And that was good at the time. I think it's bullshit because the first thing you do is start with where you are today. Where are you today and who are you today? And then because we try to, a lot of times we try to figure out what is our why. I don't know what your why is. What are you doing now?
00:29:29:22 - 00:29:48:09
Rob Napoli
Who are you today? Who are you today? What is led you here be where you are, where your feet are understanding of that allows you to then create your why is like, Oh, I'm here because of all these things now this is what I want and this is what I'm willing to work for. Okay, Now we have a framework to build our why.
00:29:48:09 - 00:29:51:20
Rob Napoli
So now we just, like, go straight to the why. I forget to think about where the fuck we are.
00:29:51:24 - 00:29:52:07
Josh Perry
Yeah.
00:29:52:20 - 00:30:08:04
Rob Napoli
I think I like that you share that because, like, you being who you are today, it's nothing without understanding where you came from and what like what things happened to you in your life to be able to lead you to that. And that's why I ask, what is your foundation? What is the brand of Josh Perry built on?
00:30:08:04 - 00:30:27:07
Rob Napoli
Because of the brand of Josh Perry today is very different than it was when you were 16 competing in BMX. Right. And it's all to hear and see that. And that's why I got really I shared I really like that we talk about this pre show and I want to kind of transition into this on the back half of this is, you know, talking about these four aspects of our energy right.
00:30:27:07 - 00:30:51:03
Rob Napoli
We've talked a lot about your journey consistency, creating habits, creating action, doing right. Once we start getting into that you talked, you share these. I really like the four aspects of our energy, our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. How do we break that down? So once thinking about leveraging kind of their performance and optimization and we're looking at the four aspects of our energy, why don't you break it down for us a little bit?
00:30:51:03 - 00:30:53:01
Rob Napoli
How do you how do you kind of culture teach on that?
00:30:53:16 - 00:31:08:20
Josh Perry
Yeah, and this goes nicely with the whole like you've got to be on purpose, Your purpose has to be to serve and all this stuff. And it's like, it could be true, but if you're someone that is stressed out and you feel like you're drowning every day, how can you fathom trying to help other people? And it's like the oxygen mask analogy.
00:31:08:20 - 00:31:23:19
Josh Perry
You have to focus on yourself. You have to take care of yourself so that way you're not passed out. Actually creating more problems for other people trying to get to safety. And I learned that. And my friend again, Isaac, he shared this concept of me and he doesn't. 17 He's like, man, like, your story is like one of off self on purpose.
00:31:24:01 - 00:31:43:03
Josh Perry
It took me being on self. I focusing on self, getting out of survival mode to be equipped to actually look around and see who I can help now that I'm breathing and I'm I'm not drowning anymore. And so I think that that's really important is we have this negative stigma of focusing on yourself as selfish ness. And it's like it's bad, it's wrong in the society.
00:31:43:03 - 00:31:58:09
Josh Perry
It's like, no, it's actually necessary because going back to those four components of energy, if any one of those is less than poor, you're going to be robbing them from the other areas and then you're not going to show as your best self, you're going to make decisions or you're going to act or say things you don't really mean or want to.
00:31:58:15 - 00:32:21:17
Josh Perry
That's going to create native consequences in the long run, and it's not going to serve your purpose. And so when we look at those four elements of energy, we could take the spiritual one and we can we can tackle that first. And it's like spirituality could be religion, it could be spirituality in terms of yoga, meditation or the divine feminine, universal energy, whatever it is that gives you purpose in life and meaning to what you're doing and why you're doing it.
00:32:21:24 - 00:32:35:08
Josh Perry
And so when we talk about purpose or when I talk about purpose, I'm only talking about the person like, what is it that you believe about your life? What is it you want to do? What is your purpose for why we're on this call or doing whatever we're doing or what you're doing Your life. And that's what we can look at.
00:32:35:08 - 00:32:44:16
Josh Perry
Like spirituality is like the spirit, like the main intention that comes to us comes from above us, you know, whatever that looks like for you, God, the universe, energy, quantum physics doesn't matter. It's beyond.
00:32:44:16 - 00:33:11:13
Rob Napoli
You. Yeah. I mean, around us, man. Like that, that, that, that and the law of attraction. And I just want to interject. If you said this and I and I love it, it's something that I share to people all the time when people are like, oh, you know, it's selfish not wanting to be a parent right now. And I'm like, No, what's selfish is that I if I have a kid when I'm not ready, like, and that's one example, but I truly believe in the power that you need to be selfish before you can be selfless.
00:33:12:00 - 00:33:28:22
Rob Napoli
Yeah, because if you do not fill your car up, how can you fill up others? If you're selfless without being selfish and you're filling everyone else's cup at the expense of yours, At some point there will be a negative that effect in your life right? You have to be able to fill up your own cup. And so I talk about you need to be selfish before you can be selfless.
00:33:29:11 - 00:33:44:17
Rob Napoli
Fill up your cups that you can fill others. And that to me is like, that's why I talk about the spirituality, the energy that's all around us. It flows. Sometimes you give me a call like this, or I may not be a one person energy, but you're the one filling my cup up so that I can then in turn fill the podcast up, right?
00:33:44:18 - 00:33:48:00
Rob Napoli
Yeah. And that's the beauty of that spirit, of that energy that flows.
00:33:48:09 - 00:34:12:15
Josh Perry
Yeah. No, I love that. And that's a good, good I guess reminder that often people are projecting their own insecurities and fears onto us by saying X, Y, and Z, and that's, that's their shit. It's not ours. You could be true if we believed it, but you know, like you said, I'm in a similar position. It's like if irresponsible for me to have a child when I am not in the place that I want to be in any which aspect of life that is, you.
00:34:12:15 - 00:34:28:06
Josh Perry
What I'm focusing on right now. And my fiance and I have this conversation. We're, you know, getting to the point where we're actually getting excited and talking about that possibility one day. But it's not It's actually. Yeah, it's that's their shit, you know. So that's that's something to consider is also like the information that people are sharing with you.
00:34:28:14 - 00:34:44:13
Josh Perry
Is it a projection of their own shit or is it actually true? And that's the difficult part about having accountability. People in your life and people that challenging push you and is really getting to that level of auditing like, oh, like is there some truth to this? Because there's a shadow side to everything. Like not everything's just good and great.
00:34:44:21 - 00:35:06:07
Josh Perry
There is a, you know, a downfall to whatever aspect of life we're talking about. So yeah, back to those levels of energy, you know, we have the spiritual part and if we're not feeling fulfilled, then our life and that like we're contributing to society that's going to drain us. Same thing with physically if we're not exercising or eating well, pushing are our boundaries to build the capacity, oppose what people think, exercise.
00:35:06:07 - 00:35:23:01
Josh Perry
It will take some energy, but it's going to build your capacity to withstand stress in your life, which leads into the mental peace. If you're mentally stressed with your to do list, your responsibilities, your pressures or this or that, you're going to be, you know, stealing energy from other parts of your body and then you're going to get burnt out.
00:35:23:15 - 00:35:40:19
Josh Perry
And that goes to the emotional piece. If you don't feel like you're supported with people, you're, you know, your coworkers or your family, your friends or whatever, like energy, vampires of any kind or, you know, you just feel like you're giving and giving and you're not ever getting anything back like that's going to drain you as well. So that's why I do what I do in sequential order.
00:35:40:19 - 00:35:55:22
Josh Perry
I do it with my clients. It's really getting down to the first piece, which is auditing their life and going through different exercises to figure out, quantify for them what needs to change. I hear what you want, but the you know, your set of questions are really what I love sharing when I'm presenting is a fourth set of questions.
00:35:55:22 - 00:36:14:15
Josh Perry
What do you want? Okay, what do you need? What's I mean, what do you want? What do you need? What's holding you back from attaining those things and what do you do about it? So we can start with the auditing phase or the auditing protocol, as I call it. You know, we get to quantify for that person what do they want, what do they need, what's holding back, what needs to change?
00:36:14:24 - 00:36:30:03
Josh Perry
And then we can move into the mindset piece and really distill who they are, what got them to the point where they're at, where they like, Oh, I need to change this. What about you? Got you there? And that's a point. The part of change that's really challenging is accountability, is ownership. It's not playing the victim role like, oh, it's it's their fault.
00:36:30:03 - 00:36:49:16
Josh Perry
It's that fault. It's not to you. Literally everything in your life to this moment is you're responsible for things happen. I've gone through it. Things happen out of our control. But your decision to blame it on other things and other people rather than okay, here's what is what can I do to get over it? That's the very thing that's holding you back and what you want.
00:36:50:04 - 00:37:11:17
Josh Perry
Once we get through that, we understand your code, what you're operating from. We have this billion dollar biological computer that is our brain, and we can learn that. We can get the owner manual for it, we can reprogram it, we can pull out what doesn't serve us anymore and reprogram it. That's a whole other conversation, a living beliefs that were instilled and installed, all this stuff from childhood that we model and observe and all that bullshit.
00:37:11:17 - 00:37:32:23
Josh Perry
But once we get in there, then we can figure out how to lay the foundation for what we actually want to achieve based on our needs, our values, our priorities. And then we can continue to take it up a level, which is the fourth protocol I have, which is optimizing it's optimization, but you have to know who you are and what's why in that, what's causing you to be in the situation you want to change any element in your life.
00:37:33:03 - 00:37:57:24
Josh Perry
And if you don't attach it to something valuable in your life, not just like I value respect or this or that, like no, you may value golf. I know I do. My friend Clint Webb, the golf networker values golf, but it's like it's different components are life. Once we can attach what we want to do, what we need to do to a value, then that lays the foundation for how which could be nutrition, it could be exercise, more mindset stuff, it could be whatever you want.
00:37:58:12 - 00:38:12:00
Josh Perry
It's just depends on what you actually need. And that's why that audit piece is so important for me, my clients, because that's what it was for me. The brain tumor when I was 21, the first brain tumor is really what slap me in the face or should they punch me in the face? It was like you take an audit of your life.
00:38:12:08 - 00:38:17:07
Josh Perry
And that's what helped me focus on what will I do differently when I wake up. That led me to where I am today.
00:38:17:24 - 00:38:41:17
Rob Napoli
I love it. Oh, that's awesome. You know, I think it's such the hardest part about all this is that is that is the art of peace is looking in the mirror and having that conversation with yourself. But it's really a busy day with your self of. What is the I value? What am I willing to work for? Why do I want it, and what am I willing to do about it?
00:38:41:19 - 00:39:09:03
Rob Napoli
Right. And that's hard. That is probably one of the scariest conversations you can fucking have with your self as a human being. And sometimes it takes needing somebody to help you go through that because it is scary, it is painful, it is emotional, right? Because you have to answer yourself. I mean, you can't lie to yourself. You can try to trick yourself, right, Getting into the whole limiting beliefs.
00:39:09:03 - 00:39:29:11
Rob Napoli
But in the day you can't lie to yourself. And for many of us out there, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to deal with it. And it's something that I even struggle with. I built a business, a coaching business that I decided I didn't want. And I transition that more to the things I love to talk about branding, entrepreneurship, and in that I coach and in that I do these things like I'm a natural coach.
00:39:29:11 - 00:39:49:11
Rob Napoli
Like it's hard to get that out of me. So I want to do the same point. I've gone through the process of knowing what I don't want and have an idea of where I want to be with my career, my life, my goals, my passions, my values, my core, my core beliefs. Right? And I also I know my love.
00:39:49:11 - 00:40:09:19
Rob Napoli
I think beliefs are and you know, I have my mindset coach, my therapist, that I'm working on overcoming my limiting beliefs, but that takes time. I wish I could say it was linear. I wish I could say, you know, I did three sessions on the couch and fuckin next thing you know, I'm overcoming everything. Now I have 36, 35, 26, 35 years program at least, right?
00:40:09:24 - 00:40:28:02
Rob Napoli
Yep. Takes time to reprogram while. You can do it. It takes time. And I think everyone out there needs to understand that this process takes time. It's not going to get done of setbacks. And just like life, like we look at your journey. Yeah, you are on the up and up. You had a you had amazing things ahead of use of the next possession.
00:40:28:02 - 00:40:47:15
Rob Napoli
Who knows what could have happened if that fateful day never happened? Who knows how long your creator had been out? Like what you would have served on this earth if you had never found that diagnosis. But the thing about it is, is that you're able to overcome and adapt and now spreading a message and a belief and opportunity to help others overcome.
00:40:47:15 - 00:41:12:01
Rob Napoli
And that in itself, you never know where it's going to take you as long as you keep putting one foot in front of the other and aren't afraid to put yourself out there, you'll be surprised at what you can accomplish in this life. And I think that, you know, you sharing that you're kind of your protocol and the four aspects is it it really opens it gives me energy to think about that.
00:41:12:01 - 00:41:29:22
Rob Napoli
And how they can how they can push through that. So I appreciate you sharing that with us. I know we could probably talk for hours. In fact, like our first call was supposed to be about business. 430 Even as we chatted for like an hour. This I appreciate you for coming on. How how can my site owners, how could their nation find you?
00:41:29:22 - 00:41:36:16
Rob Napoli
Where can they connect with you? If they want to learn more, connect to Josh? Where do they do? So what are they? One of the places to find you for sure.
00:41:36:16 - 00:41:49:17
Josh Perry
And first I want to say thank you for having me. You know, it's it's always a pleasure speaking with people like yourself. And like I said, I have so many people I want to connect you with that I think you'll get energy from speaking with them about the various things that they do and have done in their lives and vice versa.
00:41:50:08 - 00:42:07:20
Josh Perry
And something I want to say to before I talk about where people can find me is something I've learned is change is uncomfortable. It's not easy. It's it creates an unpredictable condition for the mind and the minds Design or the minds job is to design a safe, predictable condition, which is what the ego does. It tries to protect us at all costs.
00:42:08:04 - 00:42:24:10
Josh Perry
A lot of it, as we get older, is bullshit. It's perceived threats from our past conditioning. And so what I love to share and what I would argue is change is a lot fucking easier when you have a brain tumor. We're not diagnosed with a death sentence and you can actually change because you want to. You're not forced to.
00:42:24:14 - 00:42:42:15
Josh Perry
And that's my whole objective with what I do and why I share all the different elements I do is because it took a brain tumor when I was 21 years old, living beyond whatever. Imagine fathomable in my dream as an X-Games athlete, riding with my hero as a mentor, mentors to change. And that's first piece was starting with auditing, reflecting who I was.
00:42:42:15 - 00:42:58:05
Josh Perry
That was conditioning me to be in that very moment. With all those changes came this moment with you and I, and I'm super grateful for it led me the client, which came from another person I connected with who's a great friend as well. So it's just it's, it's a beautiful thing when you start to embrace change the discomfort that comes from it.
00:42:58:05 - 00:43:14:10
Josh Perry
Because what's on the other side, that's the only thing I love sharing is like all the resistance bound up in change. And why we're so resistant to changing is the energy of what we have to break through to get to the other side. Otherwise everyone would be doing it if it was that easy. And that's I know it's a cliche saying, but it's so true.
00:43:14:19 - 00:43:27:15
Josh Perry
And so it's just something I love to share is like you can change when you're inspired to rather than being forced to. And I would argue 99% of people won't have to go through what I've gone through to realize, okay, maybe I do need to change my ways if I want to stay alive.
00:43:27:24 - 00:43:49:13
Rob Napoli
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure that I appreciate you sharing that with us. And I and I am very appreciative of you being open about your journey, man. Like, that's not it's not always easy, you know, to talk about those things and seeing some of the people that you rode with and called friends and mentors and have to go through, you know, seeing them take their own lives and dealing with that as as a friend.
00:43:49:13 - 00:44:08:21
Rob Napoli
Right. And that's why it's important for everyone listening that if things are bothering you or this thing's causing pain, talk to somebody about them. And if anything, as I'm sure that you had said something by contacting me, right. Like the first step is to take action and just talk about it, because there's always like, there's a lot that there and there's a lot of resources.
00:44:08:21 - 00:44:10:14
Rob Napoli
So I appreciate you sharing that with us.
00:44:10:14 - 00:44:26:16
Josh Perry
Yeah, man. Yeah. Like I said, it's it hasn't always been easy to share and it most certainly was in the beginning. I just felt compelled to through the BMX media, that's how it started. And then that transformed to mainstream media and things like that, which is what led me to what I do today on all the mediums possible I willingly share.
00:44:26:22 - 00:44:41:07
Josh Perry
But at first it was a lot of shame, it was a lot of embarrassment, a lot of like, oh, like I'm going to look weak because and I still today I battle that thought that my brain tries to run of like, are people going to want to hire me? What I'm going through. I just went through radiation treatment last week for recurrence after, a weight brain surgery the year before.
00:44:41:13 - 00:44:56:13
Josh Perry
I'm good, like I'm chillin, but it's just a part of my journey. And that's the thought that keeps coming up. Like, you know, like, who's going to want to hire me but I'm fucking good. Like, I do. I live my like I live and walk my talk and it's just part of life. And I would argue that everyone's got challenges in their own ways.
00:44:56:13 - 00:45:12:05
Josh Perry
And here's me speaking to myself out loud, but that's why I share because ultimately, I think at the end of the day, like I said before, I want people to have an inspiring perspective shift. But also I don't want people to feel like they're alone. They're we're the broken, They're whatever they are, who they are, and we all go through these things.
00:45:12:05 - 00:45:31:05
Josh Perry
It just looks different in the micro. So, you know, I really appreciate you having me on and having the opportunity to chat with you and to share and yeah, the best place to find me is just my website. Josh Perry, BMX dot com. All my social handles, whatever platform it is, it's just at Josh Perry BMX but I'm most active these days on LinkedIn so.
00:45:31:21 - 00:45:52:05
Rob Napoli
I'll make sure to drive to the website and the LinkedIn link into the show notes. So if you are interested in connecting with Josh, learning more, find his journey. Go to the show notes, click on it, take you right. Sorry, I need to go. Josh thank you again for for joining and sharing and having this great conversation. I know I appreciate it Bear nation Appreciate it.
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Rob Napoli
So thank you so much, my friend.
00:45:53:16 - 00:45:54:06
Josh Perry
Yeah, thank you.
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Rob Napoli
Appreciate it. Barry Nation. Until next time, as always, stay well and rise up.